Serial: Life in Camp 7

The most secret prison at Guantánamo. 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One of the most surprising things he talked about was life in Camp 7, and the other prisoners who were held there with him, some of whom are accused of being the actual “worst of the worst,” like KSM, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the admitted mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks. For years, Camp 7 was the most secret, highly classified prison building at Guantánamo. And Majid is the only Camp 7 prisoner to have ever left Gitmo. So he’s really the only person in the world who knows its secrets and can talk freely about them. He took great care to explain the close relationships he had with the other prisoners. Majid says he rejected extremism and left Al Qaeda years ago, when he was still at Guantánamo. But he credits those other prisoners with his survival there, and he knows how that might be received: that he had an affection for these men whom so many people consider to be monsters. At first, Majid and the other prisoners were kept in isolation in Camp 7. They couldn’t see or talk to one another. But eventually, the commanders at Guantánamo allowed them into the rec areas at the same time as one other prisoner. They still couldn’t be in the same space — they had separate, fenced-in areas — and they couldn’t see each other, but they could finally talk to someone who wasn’t an American guard or medic or intelligence agent. Majid told me his rec partner was Abu Zubaydah, who was suspected of running an extremist network in Pakistan, in parallel to Al Qaeda. Abu Zubaydah was the first prisoner to be subjected to the CIA’s “enhanced interrogation techniques” — torture tactics, like waterboarding and confinement ([source](~/AAAAAQA~/RgRoH9xqP0TsaHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuaW50ZWxsaWdlbmNlLnNlbmF0ZS5nb3Yvc2l0ZXMvZGVmYXVsdC9maWxlcy9wdWJsaWNhdGlvbnMvQ1JQVC0xMTNzcnB0Mjg4LnBkZj9jYW1wYWlnbl9pZD0yOTMmZW1jPWVkaXRfc2VfMjAyNDA1MDkmaW5zdGFuY2VfaWQ9MTIyOTA4Jm5sPXNlcmlhbCZyZWdpX2lkPTIwODQxMDU4OSZzZWdtZW50X2lkPTE2NjE4OCZ0ZT0xJnVzZXJfaWQ9M2E1MDdmZjVmZjM3NWJhM2NhZTkyMWQzNTMxM2I3Y2RXA255dEIKZjZqVz1mUfIi_1IbdHJpc3RyYW1iYWxkd2luODhAZ21haWwuY29tWAQAAAAD), page 13). He was super fit, an “alpha dog,” according to Majid. He said that Abu Zubaydah could do something like 600 pushups at a time, that he would put the elliptical on the hardest setting and work out for hours. And, Majid says Abu Zubaydah was kind of a ladies’ man. “He loved women, right? I mean, brother had four wives and you know, he’s a whole different animal,” Majid told me. Sex was Abu Zubaydah’s favorite topic. “So, I suffered a lot with him, you know, because that’s what he talks about.” Majid credits Abu Zubaydah with introducing him to less extreme interpretations of Islam. If it hadn’t been for him, Majid says, “I still would have been in a hardcore jihadi mindset.” The first months in Camp 7 were the lowest period of Majid’s life. He says he wasn’t very good at prison. He was kind of soft. But the other prisoners got him through it. When he got in disciplinary trouble, Majid says Abu Zubaydah often convinced the camp commander to let him take the punishment in Majid’s place. And, when Majid ended up in the medical clinic from a self-inflicted wound, he says KSM told the camp commander to bring him back safely or he and the other prisoners would harm themselves, too. 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He says they sent him presents: some candies when one of them became a grandfather, a pair of Birkenstocks for Eid. But Majid never saw them again, and he probably never will. He was released from Guantánamo in February 2023. 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