Some people disagree. Some people make it political.
October 26, 2018
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âSome people disagree. Some people make it political.â
[James Altucher and Noam Dworman]
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Some background: a few weeks ago, Louis C.K. showed up at the Comedy Cellar.
Noam Dworman (the owner) wasnât there. He got a text. âLouisâs here.â He saw it the next morning.
Now everyone is asking Noam, âWhere do you draw the line?â
Heâs gotten death threats. The Twitter mob came after him. Heâs become a talking point. And the more heâs reduced to a talking point, the more hate he gets.
So I wanted to ask Noam questions about his life, his club, his business, his family. He told me about his influences. I wanted to get to know him. And then I wanted to get to know his side of the controversy.
But then I realized⦠he doesnât have a âside.â
Sure, he has an opinion.
He has thoughts.
But itâs not for one team and against another. And somehow, that gets him EVEN more hate.
People want him to ban Louis from the stage.
âIâve been accused of not believing the victims,â Noam said. âAnd nothing could be further from the truth. I canât say this enough: Itâs not about not believing anybody. Itâs not. I take everyone at their word. I donât know how else to put it.â
He told me about a customer who called yelling.
âWhat did he say?â
âHe said, âI was there with my in-laws. We come to the Comedy Cellar to have a good time and this was upsetting them.ââ
Noam listened (something a lot of people donât do).
And they worked it out.
âWe actually became friends,â Noam said. âHe actually came in and offered to tell the media that he thought he overreacted.â
But Louis also did a lot of things wrong. And Noam knows this. Louis used a trigger word. He mentioned a rape whistle in the bit. And he didnât address the elephant in the room.
Noam knows the wrongness of the situation.
But when someone tells Noam to ban Louis, theyâre forgetting the larger questionsâ¦
Who gets to decide what Louisâs punishment is? Who gets to decide who works and who doesnât? Who has the right to censor people? And information?
Sometimes we need to let people speak just to find out what theyâre hiding. Look at Roseanne. If Twitter blocked her tweet before the world saw it, we wouldnât have seen that side of her.
And hate would be baking under the rug.
I told Noam this⦠When we were growing up no one had peanut allergies. A generation later, because weâve disinfected everything, millions of kids have peanut allergies. And now, people are allergic to language.
And it doesnât seem like this trend ever reverses.
First, we disinfected our food. Now weâre disinfecting language. So then that leads to another big question. Whatâs next?
Noam has thought a lot about these questions. Heâs studied the judicial system. I think we should be glad that heâs not taking this lightly.
He looks at the laws, he looks at the claims from all the women, and he sees that the women can take their claims to court.
And he makes this point in the podcast.
He says, âWe have quite developed institutions to make sure people make amends for the things they do. And, up until recently, we all respected that. We took pride in the fact that we didnât do things by emotion. We did things by procedures.Â
âAnd it seems like now we think that was all a big dumb experiment. [Itâs as if people think] really what we should be able to do is read a paragraph in the Times and then anyone whoâs in the position to punish ought to dole it outâ¦Â
âNobody, I think, really believes thatâs the way the world should be. I donât think they really want that.â
Noam shouldnât have to be Twitterâs juror #1. Or the judge. He runs a club. Not a courtroom.
Some people disagree. Some people make it political.
The Twitter mob wants you to say what you stand for. You stand for âthisâ or âthat.â Then they can define you. But what if you stand for something outside of the âthisâ or âthatâ?
Communication isnât math. Expression isnât linear. Unless youâre writing a headline.
Itâs only linear if you have an agenda.
But when someone like Noam chooses to stay outside of the teams (left vs. right), then each team accuses you of being on ânot their team.â
And this is dangerous.
If youâre not spewing the leftâs agenda, youâre somehow alt-right. And if youâre not spewing the rightâs agenda, youâre somehow alt-left.
And if youâre neither, youâre both.
If I, James Altucher, am going to boil down MY perspective of what Noam is saying itâs thisâ¦
He said, âIf somebody should be punished, I hope they are punished.â
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Thatâs part A.
And then he said, âIn my position, I need know that things are true. I canât just smell it in the atmosphere. I have to verify.â
âWhy do you have to know?â I asked.
âIf people want me to take action on something, they shouldnât fault me for wanting to make sure I have the right to investigate. These are the lessons since the Magna Carta or the Bill of Rights or due process and giving people the benefit of the doubt and perjury. We got away from Town Hall justice and public humiliation.â
Thatâs part B.
And he also said, âIâve seen interviews with jurors. And you [can see] that when they were the ones who knew they had to make these decisions, all of a sudden they take things very, very seriously. And I think thatâs the difference.â
âThe rumor can be wrong or exaggerated or understated â we donât know.â
Thatâs part C.
Punish people who should be punished. Follow the law. And verify the truth.
I think thatâs all reasonable. But Twitter doesnât want reasonable.
Iâve been on Noamâs podcast before. Iâve been to the Comedy Cellar. I know their rules.
Thereâs a line-up. A bunch of comedians go on. They each get about 15 minutes. And sometimes, people drop in. And if someone in the audience doesnât like the jokes or the comedian, theyâre free to leave. The Comedy Cellar will even cover your bill. No questions asked.
So thereâs this real sense of hospitality there. For the comedians and the customers.
Noam told me the history:
âMy father opened his first coffee shop in 1960. And that became the place where musicians would come informally after gigs. Bob Dylan used to come in. Jose Feliciano⦠Peter, Paul and Mary⦠a lot of people. And then, at some point, because he was Israeli, a lot of Middle Eastern musicians started coming.â
His dad went on to open a club, which became really popular. And when Noam grew up, he joined a band.
It became a huge success within six months. âThatâs what I did until I started going deaf in 2009 or earlier.â
âYou play a lot of instruments, right?â
âI play guitar, mandolin, bass, piano, oudâ¦â
âOud?â
âItâs a Turkish instrument. My father played that kind of stuff.â
âAnd just out of curiosity, why are you going deaf?â
âAll of that loud music five nights a week.â
I asked about the business more. He told me about his grandma.
âMy grandmother was known to be just a wonderful hostess. This was one of her defining attributes. And that was passed down to my father and, in some way, it was passed down to me.â
She taught him the value of treating people in your home a certain way.
âSmall business people, for the most part, they think of their business as their home,â Noam said.
Iâm going back on Noamâs podcast this week. And I know heâll treat me like he treats all people.
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